Totilas sold to Paul Schockemohle

[gem]

Turns out the rumours were right!! Just seen on the Horse & Country TV website:

"Totilas the wonder dressage stallion has been sold to Paul Schockemole. Rumours had been circulating since the World Equestrian Games in Kentucky, but it is now official."

It doesn't say definitely whether Edward Gal has lost the ride or not? Seems crazy to split them up.

[Laura T]

Copied this from HHO - wonder if there is any truth in it?

Hind suspensory rumour:

was that Totilas has had numerous treatments by many many vets over the summer months. Thats why there was a no show at Hickstead. Also he was going to be pulled out of WEG and operated on. However, they decided on other treatments to get him to WEG as he won't last til the Olympics..........apparently.

Makes sense if he doesn't compete again! Would also explain the 10million price tag which seems low to me for a horse with his reputation?

[gem]

Ooh that's interesting. Will have to keep an eye on the news!

[My Crazy Clan]

Someone is 20mil richer! Absolutely bonkers.

[CityLights]

Makes sense if he doesn't compete again! Would also explain the 10million price tag which seems low to me for a horse with his reputation?

how do you vaule a horse that has broken world records and has sorced the highest precentage ever?

doesnt matter even if he is lame he could retire never be ridden again after the reupatation and results he has gotten

i feel kind of bad for Edward Gal didnt realise he rode Lingh but to loose your two top horses and olypic chances it mus tbe hard for him

[XenaWarriorPrincess]

From the other reports i have read it *sounds* as if he will be retired to stud and with the suspensory rumours it all seems to fit.
Shame Gal has lost the ride as he genuinely seemed to adore the horse but if he was going to lose the ride due to injury anyway i suppose it didnt matter whether he was sold or not...

[Laura T]

how do you vaule a horse that has broken world records and has sorced the highest precentage ever?

What i am saying is that 10 million seems low for him especially when you consider he made nearly 2 million Euro in stud fees alone last year. If he is retired to stud the earning potential is massive. Certainly feel for Edward Gal in losing the ride but wonder if the injury rumour is true as owners have always gone on record saying they would not sell and have apparently turned down much higher offers previously.

[CautionToTheWind]

Would also explain the 10million price tag
:scared::shocked::scared::shocked:

Did he really sell for £10,000,000!?!
Woooooow! I can't imagine any horse selling for that much even him! How do you make that money back? Is the prize money for winning really that substantial ? :scared:

And I hope he doesn't get split from Edward... what a pair!

[amandaco]

i think he would have gone for more than that!
a stud fee likely to increase of 5k, paul will let him to any mares so he will pay for himself quickly that that price
the horse hasnt got much to prove, hes broken all the records. i wouldnt be shocked if he has got suspensary damage, look how he moves..... (although he wont move that that naturally all the time and they always keep reserve for comps...he wouldnt be ridden full throttle all the time)

[Madbee]

Gal could have any ride he wants now though - shame they are being split up, but it's not exactly going to ruin anyone's prospects - they're at the top of their game, broken world records, what more would they be aiming for? I think they've been very shrewd business-wise...

Cautiontothewind, I'm guessing he'll make it back in stud fees! I understand he's been bought for breeding, and the fees are crazy.

[amandaco]

yes they would be mad NOT to sell as the horse could get an injury or PTS anytime...
he is at the very top with nothing to prove. and once the first foals come and are ok, he will be able to command a bigger stud fee........

[Twizzel]

I thought up until now he was only available to select mares which along with his movement make a Totilas baby extra special... if he's been bought to use in a breeding programme and available to any mares in order to recoup the £££ they paid for him, would this affect the price of his foals?

Plus is there any guarantee that he will pass on his extravagant movement to his foals?

[CityLights]

I thought up until now he was only available to select mares which along with his movement make a Totilas baby extra special... if he's been bought to use in a breeding programme and available to any mares in order to recoup the £££ they paid for him, would this affect the price of his foals?

Plus is there any guarantee that he will pass on his extravagant movement to his foals?

there is no garuntee at all that they will produce the same kind of movers as totilas, its likely he was trained to move how he does and its not natural movment, his sire Girbali (now dead) is the sire of hundreds and hundreds of horses which have a reputation of being unsound and none move like tortilas

if he is used on poor mares then yes that would reduce the cost of the progeny as there would be more about and likely to less quality mares, but as the stud fee would still be very high it woudl deter people from using him on mares that arent good producers or good quality themselves, the cost you pay for a horse should also relect the breeding and performance of both parents not just the sire as often it does

last year he was only availabel to select mares and a certain number, i think about 12 in the uk? the stud fee was about £5000

[My Crazy Clan]

Why would some pay that amount for a lame horse anyway? the only up side is he can breed but I still think its mad!

[gem]

Why would some pay that amount for a lame horse anyway?

He made 2million euros last year at stud and that was with a small group of select mares. If he's bred to more, he'll pay for himself in a couple of years. He'll still be able to *do it in a cup* even if he's lame.

[CityLights]

He made 2million euros last year at stud and that was with a small group of select mares. If he's bred to more, he'll pay for himself in a couple of years. He'll still be able to *do it in a cup* even if he's lame.

suspensories heal usually very well anyway and i doubt he is actually lame to any great degree he would of been vetted, xrayed and scaned with in an inch of his life before he was flwon to kentuky had the same there and wouldnt of competed if there was a question mark over his health and soundess, if it was a big one he wouldnt of even been flown

[Grey Haven]

Well gem is looking for a Baby Daddy for Saff....maybe we should club together and get her some of the Tortilla good stuff!!!

[gem]

I like that idea Shaz :D There must be 500 members on here. Everyone send a tenner to...

[amandaco]

oh oh me me!
ive got 3 lovely ladies!

[amandaco]

if he is used on any mares the foal will be priced as any foal- on the merits of the dam as well as sire plus the foal itself
he was allowed to select mares for the first year- it make buisness sense to ensure the first ones out are amazing as possible with the very cream of the mares being used...
now hes sold to a breeding giant (!) he will almost certainly available to all......