What breed does this description make you think of?

[Catg]

Could be a cross of breeds perhaps?

Looks
Light to medium weight build
Very Athletic
Height between 14-15.2HH
Could do well in most disciplines

Temperament
Can be a little spooky but never silly or dangerous
Submissive temperament and loves attention
Good to handle in all ways but handler must be patient
Needs confident and capable rider
Very willing when ridden, will always try his/her best
Never naughty or bolshy

Management
Not particularly hardy but could live out in reasonable weather


What do you think? I'm rubbish with breeds!

[BEX101]

Arab x native breed

[Catg]

Interesting! Thanks Bex :)

[Osci]

I would say you had just described my Oscar! He's Arab X something, mum was an Anglo Arab & i'm pretty sure daddy was a full arab as he looks Arab not much else in there, which various vets & other professionals agree with.

I would disagree with Welly Delight who thinks X welsh as in my experience Welshies have a tendancy to have naughty/bolshy moments although i realise that this isnt always the case.

[Catg]

Sorry Welly cross posted. Thanks for your reply x

[Catg]

Thanks Osci just cross posted with you too hehe.

Hmm that's good to know. It's actually a description of Zebedee :D

[Osci]

Thanks Osci just cross posted with you too hehe.

Hmm that's good to know. It's actually a description of Zebedee :D

And do you know what breed he is? :D

[BEX101]

Arab, native crosses are little crackers. Arabs are intelligent and very hardy (more so than some would believe) a 50/50 cross with most natives will get you a little pocket rocket but a 25/75 arab/native cross should get you a great Pony club/riding club pony.

[Catg]

And do you know what breed he is? :D

Not for certain but I suspect he is an Arab x native. He has typical Arab characteristics; flighty, fast, high tail carriage but then he is Palomino so definitely not pure bred. He also gets an extremely thick winter coat and a little bit of feather. On the whole he is very sweet natured and dependable.

Based on his temperament his native blood probably isn't welsh. I don't know what it could be?

[Osci]

Just stalked your profile and realised that you dont actually know his breeding so i guess that is the reason for your question lol... think you need to do a mass photo post & get people to vote on what breed they think he looks like! ;) always good to see photos!!

[Catg]

Arab, native crosses are little crackers. Arabs are intelligent and very hardy (more so than some would believe) a 50/50 cross with most natives will get you a little pocket rocket but a 25/75 arab/native cross should get you a great Pony club/riding club pony.

You've just described Zebedee Bex. I love the pocket rocket description, my god can Zeb fly!

[Osci]

cross posted again lol, Oscar too get's an extremely thick winter coat, i always laugh that he's Arab x Yeti in winter :D and he does get a bit of feather too, enough for me to chop off to tidy him up but not enough to make me think native so i'm not sure. Thing is mum was apparently only 14.2ish and Oscar is 15.2 which makes me think daddy was unlikely to have been a native as unless he was something bigger like a welsh D but then Oscar has no look of a Welsh D about him at all. Maybe TB if anything!?!

[Osci]

You've just described Zebedee Bex. I love the pocket rocket description, my god can Zeb fly!

Dont forget they race Arab's so could well account for that! Oscar's deffo the fastest horse i've ever sat on which considering i used to ride ex-racers that had been successful in their career must say something!

[BEX101]

Based on his temperament his native blood probably isn't welsh. I don't know what it could be?

It could be welsh, just a smaller proportion of it. Not all the native breeds carry the cream gene that makes him a pally. Welsh's and Connemara do so my guess is Connemara x arab

[Catg]

Just stalked your profile and realised that you dont actually know his breeding so i guess that is the reason for your question lol... think you need to do a mass photo post & get people to vote on what breed they think he looks like! ;) always good to see photos!!

I did do that once, I cant find the post though, I must have done it on the old version of EW. Wasn't going to do another one as didn't want to look self indulgent :lol: I was more interested in what your thoughts are on a description, especially on temperament as that's most important to me if I was looking to get my own.

I could always add some pics to this post though while we're talking about it :D

[Catg]

It could be welsh, just a smaller proportion of it. Not all the native breeds carry the cream gene that makes him a pally. Welsh's and Connemara do so my guess is Connemara x arab

Thanks Bex I didn't know that :)

[Catg]

Here's some pictures where I think he looks araby

http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/Catghamlin/Competitions/P9190177.jpg
http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/Catghamlin/Competitions/prelim43.jpg
http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/Catghamlin/Zebedee/PrettyBoy.jpg

But then there's the super thick winter coat

http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/Catghamlin/Zebedee/IMG_3818.jpg

You can just make out the little bit of feather
http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/Catghamlin/Zebedee/a2a17db0.jpg

One of my friends said she thought he looked like he had some quarter horse in him? I wasn't convinced but he looks quite powerful and compact in this picture
http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/Catghamlin/Zebedee/8ffd6118.jpg

What do you think now?

[My Crazy Clan]

Irish x TB

[Gix]

Raife gets a really long coat, and he has feathers but only on his fetlocks, thin but long. Do you have a forward headshot? His head does not look particularly araby, doesnt look as if he has got the teacup muzzle and deep jowl, but does look like there is a bit of arab in there somewhere.

[Tiaki]

I am not the best at breeds :lol: but I would say there is welsh in there. You can get palomino welsh ponies but they are rare. My Dylan has the palomino gene and his sire is a gorgeous pally. This is what gives Dylan such good bloodlines. He would be worth a small fortune if he was entire :lol:

xxx

[Catg]

Thanks guys. Gixk are these helpful?

http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/Catghamlin/Zebedee/P5250016copy.jpg
http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/Catghamlin/Zebedee/IMG_3518.jpg
http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/Catghamlin/Zebedee/PA200067.jpg

[Gix]

hmmmm his head shape is very much like what Gandalf would have looked like before his incident (Tersk - newish breed mainly arab x russian don). If there is much arab in there I would sway towards saying its more classic old english/crabbet.

[Catg]

hmmmm his head shape is very much like what Gandalf would have looked like before his incident (Tersk - newish breed mainly arab x russian don). If there is much arab in there I would sway towards saying its more classic old english/crabbet.

Thank you for that :D

I'd love to know for sure but I bet it's unjustifiably expensive.

[Zeitgeist Mom]

Going back to the OP, the description reminds me of Dignity, the horse I used to ride when I first came to Scotland. She is connie x TB.

[Catg]

Thanks ZM. This is so interesting :)

[Zeitgeist Mom]

Is it Zeb you are thinking of? I would say without a doubt he has arab in him.

[Catg]

Yes the description was of Zeb. :) Just interested to hear peoples opinions of his breeding based on temperament.

[vels mum]

When I read your Op I though Arab, Id say Zeb defo has Arab blood in him but im not sure about Welsh D, perhaps Sec B or C.

ETA: Just read ZM's replies and agree that he could well be crossed with Connie! My first horse was Connie x Arab :)

[stepbystep]

I would have said he does have arab in him.
Couple of things about him remind me of Alf who is connie X arab :)

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af18/lucyalf98/P1020606-3.jpg

[beks the artist]

I would say, Full arab x arab x section B. Making him 75% arab and 25% section B. His looks are EXACTLY the same as a friend's mare who is this breeding. The Palamino gene is in all Welshies.

[Gix]

Thank you for that :D

I'd love to know for sure but I bet it's unjustifiably expensive.

its actually £30 per horse but you need samples from prospective parents unless they already have an ISAG profile and are databased.

[Catg]

Thanks Lou, i dont really know anything about Connies. I'll have to do sone reading up :)

Step by step thanks for the pic, they are similar arent they, ive veen trying to imagine Alf as a pally and Zeb as a grey.

Have you got a picture of her Beks?

Thanks Gixk, what a shame, I've no idea if his parentage. I'll ask his owner just incase though :)

[Gix]

How long has his owner had him? Ask where she bought him from and as much detail of his history as she knows, you may be able to trace a bit of history.

I've just looked on horsedna site and the test is now £17.50 per animal.
I dont know if they can pinpoint certain markers to identify different breeds in specific animal samples, you should be able to find out easily enough tho.

[Catg]

She bought him when he was rising 8 so she's had him about 15 years. She's his third owner and bought him from some local people in the east midlands area who were dealers of a sort. Zebedee was te dealers wife's horse, apparently they only sold him due to financial problems and were devastated that he had to go. Zebs owners bought another horse off them around the same time, they've still got him too. Zeb's original name was Sunny. That's all I know but I'll ask her again.

Apparently horses have been exactly as described by these people so if I could get in contact with them I could probably get some reliable info from them.

Thanks for the info, I'll check it out :)

[Squid]

TB x native

[Osci]

I reckon there could well be some connie in him, im still thinking Arab x something though.

[Gix]

Do you know where in the east midlands? My neighbour is a dealer, as well as a few of his friends, his grandson has bought a few horses from around Lincoln way. They all know alot of dealers and ex dealers across the country, long shot but he may know something. He is away till sunday but I will ask him when he returns.

[Catg]

Thanks for your replies Squid and Osci :)

Gixk, I got the impression that at the time they were local to where we are now which is the Sutton in Ashfield / Mansfield area. They stops dealing at that time as well as far as I know. I don't know for sure though. I'm going to the yard tonight, I'll ask them. Thanks :)

[Lobelia Overhill]

The description sounds Connemara x TB, but the pics would suggest there's either Arab or Welsh in there...

[Gix]

Thanks for your replies Squid and Osci :)

Gixk, I got the impression that at the time they were local to where we are now which is the Sutton in Ashfield / Mansfield area. They stops dealing at that time as well as far as I know. I don't know for sure though. I'm going to the yard tonight, I'll ask them. Thanks :)

I'll ask, doesnt matter if they deal now or not, neighbour is 73 and been doing it all his life so wont make that much difference if the gave up last year or 30 years ago. I'll ask him when he gets back on sunday.

[Catg]

I'll ask, doesnt matter if they deal now or not, neighbour is 73 and been doing it all his life so wont make that much difference if the gave up last year or 30 years ago. I'll ask him when he gets back on sunday.

Thank you :D

I didn't see anyone this evening. I'll see if I can catch up with them at the weekend too

[Catg]

The description sounds Connemara x TB, but the pics would suggest there's either Arab or Welsh in there...

Aha! This is why I didn't post pics to begin with. Perhaps he's all four???

[Gix]

not seen the old boy yet but as soon as i do i will ask him

[Catg]

not seen the old boy yet but as soon as i do i will ask him

Ooh thanks. I got a little more info, apparently they weren't dealers they ran a livery yard in the Newark/Farnsfield area. Quite a nice one apparently but they went bust and had to sell up. Zebs owners didn't stay in touch but the people were a couple; Bill and Gail I think...

[easyrider]

sounds like my boy and hes part welsh x arab x tb mixes...welsh b's are quite flighty

[easyrider]

thats not a connie head...welsh b x arab x with a mix of the 2

[My Crazy Clan]

I didn't know it was your boy you were talking about.

Your boy has defenetly got a lot of Arab in him, no doubt about it, I would say maybes hes crossed with a bit of NF X Welsh.

[Catg]

sounds like my boy and hes part welsh x arab x tb mixes...welsh b's are quite flighty

I thought that too when I saw Thomas! The similarity between them is uncanny, to the point that if Thomas was a pally I'd have to do a double take I think hehe. Sounds like Thomas is more highly strung than Zeb, although saying that Zeb has chilled out massively in the last 5 years. I think there's quite a bit of an age gap between them isn't there...

[Lobelia Overhill]

Aha! This is why I didn't post pics to begin with. Perhaps he's all four???

could be, or a Connie x Anglo Arab..?

[Catg]

could be, or a Connie x Anglo Arab..?

Could be! This is making me so curious...

[easyrider]

hes so like Thomas and yes if you changed colours they would be very alike....Tom is very sharp, thats the breeding but so much better than he was.....we are off to powys wales for a trec comp friday....will be a challenge for us...that sharpness, once honed makes a great competition pony, quick, intelligent and eager to please.....and hes very fit at the moment!....will report back if i dont get too lost

[Catg]

hes so like Thomas and yes if you changed colours they would be very alike....Tom is very sharp, thats the breeding but so much better than he was.....we are off to powys wales for a trec comp friday....will be a challenge for us...that sharpness, once honed makes a great competition pony, quick, intelligent and eager to please.....and hes very fit at the moment!....will report back if i dont get too lost

He sounds great! Yes make sure you do chick, good luck :D

[casper_cb]

Native x small TB

[Catg]

Thanks Casper :)

[Gix]

catg i still havent collared my neighbour, is it appleby this weekend by any chance cos its usually when appleby is approaching he is llike the scarlet pimpernell lol. If it appleby he wont be back till monday night or tuesday morning, if it isnt appleby then gawd knows where the ol' geezer is!!!! I havent forgotten, I will ask him as soon as he makes a re appearance.

[casper_cb]

I didn't even realise you'd posted pictures. Only just seen them.
Description wise he's very similar to my boy Gunner. We have no idea of his breeding either, we recon he's Native x TB, the passport he came with is a standard one you can order online and his DOB was 1st April which is the date given to non TB's if their DOB is unknown. I managed to get a good look at his teeth yesterday and I don't think there's any way he's 5 yet, recon he must have been a v. late foal.

[Catg]

I didn't even realise you'd posted pictures. Only just seen them.
Description wise he's very similar to my boy Gunner. We have no idea of his breeding either, we recon he's Native x TB, the passport he came with is a standard one you can order online and his DOB was 1st April which is the date given to non TB's if their DOB is unknown. I managed to get a good look at his teeth yesterday and I don't think there's any way he's 5 yet, recon he must have been a v. late foal.

Hey Casper. Sorry, posting pics wasn't really in the original plan, I wanted to know what people thought more on the temperament side, having said that it's been interesting to read everyone's responses either way.

I think you've mentioned Gunner before, got any pics? Cool name by the way :)

[Catg]

catg i still havent collared my neighbour, is it appleby this weekend by any chance cos its usually when appleby is approaching he is llike the scarlet pimpernell lol. If it appleby he wont be back till monday night or tuesday morning, if it isnt appleby then gawd knows where the ol' geezer is!!!! I havent forgotten, I will ask him as soon as he makes a re appearance.

Bless you! No rush at all :) xx

[Gix]

have spoken to my neighbour, he does know a few people that way but not been that way for some time, I have given him the info and he is going to have a dig around.

[Catg]

have spoken to my neighbour, he does know a few people that way but not been that way for some time, I have given him the info and he is going to have a dig around.

Thank you so much Gixk that's really nice of you :D :thumbsup: x