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My Crazy Clan
4th February 2012, 12:53 PM
Put magic down as a gypsy vanner/traditional cob, as hes down as Welsh D x but I know his dad would be classed as a gypsy vanner, short stocky and hair from the knees down, loads, full mane and tail, lots of bone, there are all different opinions about this, some say it is a breed other says its just a posh name for cob but it sounds better then having nothing :lol:


And I think Anni's said in a post before that Arthur is gypsy vanner/trad cob?

Twizzel
4th February 2012, 01:40 PM
If he's welsh d cross he should be registered as a part bred welsh?

Zeitgeist Mom
4th February 2012, 01:48 PM
TBH I would think he would be more impressive in a part bred welsh class than in a gypsy vanner class. What is his movement like? I don't know much at all about showing or the rules though, so I should just shut up now....:lol:

CautionToTheWind
4th February 2012, 02:20 PM
Do you have a picture of magic just so we can visualise? :)

XxFudgexX
4th February 2012, 02:26 PM
I think you would be better as a welsh part bred, thats what I class Fergus as.

Soph
4th February 2012, 03:11 PM
I think so!
We took this gelding to the TGCA Champs in 2010...
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/31743_423403355906_521880906_5843132_2379019_n.jpg

To me, he is no more traditional cob than Magic would be! I also have a feeling he is part Welsh too.

My Crazy Clan
4th February 2012, 07:08 PM
I think its actually Traditional cobs now not gypsy vanner/cob, sorry!

Problem is he isn't registered, neither are his parents as far as I know.

I want to show him but they say I can't unless hes licensed, which I feel isn't fair because I don't use him for breeding, I just want to have fun and get him some showing experience under his belt but apparently thats not allowed!

I wanted to see if I get him covered under TGCA, I was speaking to a women on FB the other day and she has a mare that looks bit like magic, she isn't registered nore does she know the parents but she is stamped? with TGCA.

ZM -I don't really know how you would describe his movement? Obviously if hes showing off etc he will have a lot more oomff, rather then going by his walk :lol:

CTTW - Are these photos ok?

http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv189/RheaLight/Magic/100_2239-1.jpg

http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/yy173/RSL1988/Magic/5da5c3b8.jpg

http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/yy173/RSL1988/Magic/1c5e5e9a.jpg

http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/yy173/RSL1988/Magic/07d0f125.jpg

http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/yy173/RSL1988/Magic/22ff5e1d.jpg

http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv189/RheaLight/Magic/100_3857-1.jpg

http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv189/RheaLight/Magic/100_3541.jpg

http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv189/RheaLight/Magic/100_5176.jpg

http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv189/RheaLight/Magic/6785.jpg

http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv189/RheaLight/Magic/100_3030.jpg

http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv189/RheaLight/Magic/100_2930.jpg

http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv189/RheaLight/Magic/100_2501.jpg

http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv189/RheaLight/Magic/100_2133.jpg

http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv189/RheaLight/Magic/htjhr6.jpg

Only action pics I have as a 2yr old.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/Rhea-Light/Magic/i92648676_40161.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/Rhea-Light/Magic/magic5.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/Rhea-Light/Magic/i79186485_25810.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/Rhea-Light/Magic/d4b10bcb.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/Rhea-Light/Magic/a8fe77de.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/Rhea-Light/Magic/magicccc.jpg

My Crazy Clan
4th February 2012, 07:16 PM
This is the boys Mum (Dam), I was under the impression she was Pure Welsh D, as I went to see magic ast 10months old that what they said but her new owners just thought she was a cob with obviously a bit of welsh in there as most cob do.

http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv189/RheaLight/MerlinsMum/10630_102974526382739_1000001057-1.jpg

http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv189/RheaLight/MerlinsMum/n595567103_1439431_1834.jpg

http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv189/RheaLight/MerlinsMum/n595567103_1439434_2603.jpg

http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv189/RheaLight/MerlinsMum/5440_105598132103_595567103_2240543.jpg

http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv189/RheaLight/MerlinsMum/i.jpg

http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv189/RheaLight/MerlinsMum/untitled.jpg

http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv189/RheaLight/MerlinsMum/4415_87388767103_595567103_1951375_.jpg

http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv189/RheaLight/MerlinsMum/5440_105598147103_595567103_2240546.jpg

http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv189/RheaLight/MerlinsMum/untitledu.jpg

http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv189/RheaLight/MerlinsMum/5440_105598092103_595567103_2240535.jpg

Anni~Bell
4th February 2012, 07:27 PM
Arfur isn't a gypsy vanner as he isn't hairy enough to be classed as one. Just a tradtional gypsy horse :)

micki
4th February 2012, 09:39 PM
I would say that his build is right for a traditional gypsy cob but he doesn't look like he has enough feather. He is gorgeous though :love::love:.

My Crazy Clan
5th February 2012, 12:01 AM
He doesn't have mass amounts of feather but there is a bit there once brushed etc, it said on the site it should cover the hooves which it does genuraly.

My Crazy Clan
5th February 2012, 12:05 AM
Arfur isn't a gypsy vanner as he isn't hairy enough to be classed as one. Just a tradtional gypsy horse :)

sorry thats what i meant, trad/gypsy cob :lol:

do you know if parents etc? breeding?

My Crazy Clan
5th February 2012, 12:06 AM
I think you would be better as a welsh part bred, thats what I class Fergus as.

do you know his breeding/parents? is he reg etc?

Anni~Bell
5th February 2012, 08:38 AM
Well all I know is his mum is a definitely trad cob but don't know about his dad has hes thrown coloureds and solids but hair wise all pretty much the same. The coloured foals are definitely hairy as I know Arfurs full sister is really hairy!

XxFudgexX
5th February 2012, 09:49 AM
do you know his breeding/parents? is he reg etc?

No all I know is his mum is a traditional coloured cob his dad a sec d not reg though

Soph
5th February 2012, 06:34 PM
To me, there is no way he doesn't class as a traditional. He strikes me as everything the TGCA say they are looking for. They were absolutely crying out for solid coloured horses to promote that part of it, so I'd have thought they'd have snapped it up.

I know you emailed them Rhea, but I can't remember the outcome. Where did you leave it in the end? Did they say to fill in the paper work, send it and see if he was eligible? If that is what they said then I'd definitely do it. To me is he is everything a traditional cob should be.

My Crazy Clan
5th February 2012, 07:38 PM
Basically I emailed them but because hes not registered he can't be one of them as so to speak, thats when I did say I thought most of the trad cobs were not registered anyway as I thought that was the whole point in TGCA but apparently not!

They said I could try to do him as part bred welsh with another place but I don't think we will get any were there because hes not registered, the whole point in me trying to do this for him with them was to see if he would be accepted as "true to the breed" and not needing to be registered, which I have heard now from a few people they've allowed there horses to do this, so why not him?

After trying to explain the above they did say to fill out the paperwork and see if he is eligible then go from there, which I printed out months ago I will need to get a few photos and send it off.

Whats better photos from winter? or summer?

lil_legs
6th February 2012, 09:50 AM
I would have thought summer photos would be better.

amandaxx1
16th February 2012, 11:22 AM
I have no idea but my god he is gorgeous, I love to see pics of him xx

eeek
16th February 2012, 02:50 PM
Why do you have to licence him to take him showing? Is it because he's a stallion, or does every horse that enters a showing class have to be registered as something?

If it's just because he's a stallion it might be a lot easier and cheaper to geld him than to licence him. As you don't plan on breeding from him there doesn't seem much point in keeping him entire. I can understand why you'd be a bit reluctant because there is something so special about a nice-natured stallion - but at the age he is now I can't see it affecting his character much (can't remember his age but he's 6 or 7 isn't he?). He'll probably continue to think he's a stallion, and will keep the crest and presence of a stallion, but will be much less hassle all round. I know he's very nice and good, but at a show he's bound to perk up quite a lot when he sees ladies and I wouldn't like this to spoil your enjoyment of him. If he was gelded I think you could relax a lot more at shows and generally. Just an idea, may be completely the wrong one so feel free to ignore!

My Crazy Clan
16th February 2012, 04:57 PM
Its because he is entire.

Some say its because he will need to wear a disk on his bridle to show that he is entire so others can stay back - thats fair enough - but they won't allow you to have oe unless they are graded or licensed.

Another says its because they want to get the best from the breed - Again I understand this - but I don't think it should stop people from giving their horse a bit of experience and having fun, they want the best of the best so that protentical people that might like the stallions in the ring for stud to their mares - I get that - but not everyone breedings for a living/sake of it, I get this for a big show but I don't see why they can't put up a separate ring for others.

There are NO shows I can take him to because of this silly rule, small/local ones should be a problem, I was speaking to someone and they have a few shows in their area that you don't need to be graded/licensed for, which I feel is great really but we have nothing.

Mares, they breed, people chose stallions from stud for them, they can be a right pain in the arse but yet they are ok to show, ok to breed from don't have to have anything to prove them selfs but entires do, it isn't fair.

I know people think I am wrong for keeping him entire because I don't use him for breeding, what is to say one day I won't for myself? I am not going to be an irresponsible owner by adding to the populations when so many needs homes, I don't want him to be a breeding machine like many mares, that is not us.

I have left him because one he was a late developer, he's caused me no trouble, hes lives out in a massive field with friends, hes ridden, hes treated just the same as a gelding! I feel all the time he can live happy and healthy there is no need to geld, If he had none of the above I wouldn't hesitate to geld him, before anyone things its because I think hes the bees knees, trust me Its not, I will love him either way but while he can live normal he might aswel make the most of it.

He will be 9yrs 31st May.

I don't doubt for a moment that he isn't going to play up on his 2nd outing ever, I wouldn't be annoyed with him at all, its to be expected.

Sorry not having a moan at you, if it sounds like it lol had a bad day!

eeek
17th February 2012, 12:20 AM
Could you make a fake disc for his bridle? Fake ID if you like!

I do agree it's unfair that you can't show him as a stallion. Seems like quite a ridiculous rule if you ask me.

The only reason I suggested gelding him is not because I think he would be happier (because I don't think it would make any difference: I know that he gets everything he needs and wants now, and would continue to get that whether he was a gelding or a stallion), but because I think it may make it easier for you to have fun with him. You wouldn't have the show problem for one thing.

CautionToTheWind
17th February 2012, 10:15 AM
Wow, I had no idea having an entire horse would be such a problem. As you say he's well behaved and brilliant in all ways whereas other stallions need to be confined to 4 walls at all times.

I would be very tempted to make a fake disc. Nobodies going to look it up on the day and if you get asked you can always lie, after all, I'm sure a lot of people lie in showing anyway.

eeek
17th February 2012, 11:13 AM
You don't even have to lie. If you get found with a fake ID disc you can just say you thought any disc would do and didn't realise you had to apply for an official one.

Horse Mad Mum
17th February 2012, 02:08 PM
thats ridiclous Rhea, cant add anything of value except to say he is simply stunning HMM X :)

My Crazy Clan
17th February 2012, 03:43 PM
Your right eek it would make thinks easier for me.

I did think about that but with my luck I would get found out with fake disk thingy!

I'll see how things go, will fill the forms out, got to send 3 photos in, one of each side of him and a front head shot but unsure which ones to use or get new ones but hes a bit hairy.

CautionToTheWind
17th February 2012, 04:17 PM
Oh, I've just noticed you actually posted photo's of him! By the time I came back to this thread it was one page 3 and I was on my phone so I never thought to look back!

I know its a bit late, but I think he would definitely register as a traditional cob. Its so refreshing to see a solid colour example of the type, and I think he'll really stand out from the crowd. I know nothing of the exact credentials of traditional cobs, but if it means anything I think he has enough feather and hair to give the coloureds a run for their money! He is simply gorgeous, I hope you can keep him entire it just makes him seem all that more special. Good luck for registering!

I know when I was thinking of registering Holly for CHAPS they said they wanted the most recent photos of her, but out of all those lovely photos I would choose 1st, 10th and 14th to take! He looks very "traditional" in those.

Welly
5th March 2012, 08:13 PM
What happened with all this Rhea? Any joy?xx

micki
5th March 2012, 10:45 PM
I was also wondering if you have had any joy wth it.

My Crazy Clan
6th March 2012, 04:08 PM
Atm I am just waiting on getting them passported and registered with TGCA, then if they are accepted I'm going to put magic forward for the grading because thats the only way I will be able to show him but merlin can still show now as hes gelded.

Just need a few more pennies for itm forms and photos are already done.