horse whisper???????????? anyone tried?

[xgliskax]

hi, just wanted to know if anyone has ever had a horse whisperer to their horse? arthur is awful to box and id love for him to compete, but he will NOT go in a trailer!! any thoughts much appreciated?:)

[Catg]

Smoke on the Water had one out quite recently for the same issue (hopefully she won't mind me mentioning her).

You should be able to use the search tool to find her thread.

Cat x

[black crow]

"Horse whisperers" are a bit of a movie con to be honest, so make sure your not sucked into it [there are people out there calling themselves 'whisperers' who arent properly trained or insured and are frankly dangerous]

A true person trained and qualified in equine behaviour and psychology wouldnt refer to themselves as a 'whisperer' they would simply be a behaviourist or something similar. Never once where i worked did we claim to be 'whisperers' nor were we called that - infact id be pretty miffed if someone had called us 'whisperers'

Try a Kelly Marks RA. They are all highly trained using excellent methods for problems exactly like loading issues. Go to her website [intelligent horsemanship] and have a look. There are RA's all over the country.

[mermer]

Agree with black crow. We went on the intelligent Horsemanship website and got someone out for the two Suffolk colts. He was good, although he had a very heavy rope on one with the dually and I'm sure it was putting a lot of pressure on Hal's nose (Hal is a *** though!) It did help, and he was reasonably priced too. If you're not going to keep it up though I don't think it's worth bothering, the horses do seem to forget it all. The Suffolk owners let it slip and the horses are as bargy as ever. Do you do any ground work with him? It makes such a difference and it's not difficult, get a few books on the subject. They will probably have a section on loading too.

[My Crazy Clan]

Never had any experience with this but there are people that can talk to the dead so I don't think it should be any different for people to be able to talk to animals.

I would love to believe that someone could be connected in such a way with animals.

Sam from here, her mate is one of these (sorry can remember the term of the word) but I went on her site and she seems genuine enough.

[mermer]

A horse whisperer isn't someone who literally stands and whispers to horses, it's someone who understands their language and acts accordingly. They can read the signals horses are giving out.

[zoes87]

We had one for monts & she was really good. We told her nothing, had never seen her before & all she knew was he was called monty & was 14. Granted some things are probably quite generic and are just said alot but somethings, she just couldnt know!

For instance:
she said either me or mum had alot of problems with our stomachs and had been in alot of pain & found it difficult to ride but it was all sorted now - I had a laparoscopy in june due to extremely painful/heavy periods & they thought i had endometriosis, i don't but has been all sorted from surgery. i used to say my tummy hurt as opposed to saying i had really bad period pains.

She said one of our hands hurt - i had a bruise on my hand from accidently hitting a bottle - my hand was in gloves so she couldnt have seen it!

She said he didn't like travelling because he'd had a really bad experience coming over from ireland & it was really rough & he'd gone over and been trampled and broken something and he'd also been moved about quite alot & so was scared of not coming back. - We hadn't said he'd come from ireland, or anything else about him. He's got a semi circle scar on his withers - which she'd have seen, and also he's had a broken dock at some point as its healed bent - she'd been no where near his tail & you can't see it.

The more generic points are all true & specific to him but are probably quite 'common' so i'm still quite skeptical about them. Things like - he prefers the connection of being ridden bareback than with a saddle (i ride him bareback occasionally but mostly if mums doing his stable or something i'll just sit on him outside his stable). He's so slow & unresponsive out on hacks cause he's over cautious and worried about our safety so feels he's more able to 'protect' us by going slower and constantly looking out for danger - which is perfectly true - he's the horse that thinks a flower is going to kill us!! lol!

All in all, i think they're fascinating but do have to be taken with a pinch of salt! also, be aware they may not be able to answer specific questions - ie, about his loading.

[helena]

Chancer's previous owners had one of Monty Robert's pupils to try and box him with absolutely no success as they tried doing join up with him and he won't do it. If you do have one out make sure they don't charge you unless they actually get the horse to box.

I spent 3 weeks feeding him at the bottom of the ramp then gradually moving his tea up the ramp so he had to put his feet on the ramp to eat. Eventually he went in the box with no bother at all, it was just a question of spending time getting him used to it.

[casper_cb]

I have to say having had a "whisperer" talk to Basil down the phone, yes my mobile on loud speaker, there was something to it. Basil DID respond to her, it was really quite scary. To be honest what she said was pretty vague, could have been true (I didnt know either way), however I did know Basil's previous owner, called her up, and the whisperer was 100% correct. When she told Basil to point out on me where he was sore Basil did move his head and knock me hard on my lower leg above my ankle. A year later and we finally following MRI discovered it was a ligamet in his coronet band, so not far out with his knocking of my leg.

So I do beleive there is something to it. I paid £45 pounds for an hour consultation, Anne Dee (google Anne Dee Horse Whisperer) she cost me less than a vet consultation. I honestly beleive it can't hurt.

Not sure though how it can help with a loading issue though.

[Sasca]

if some other on here dont mind giving me a reference….id be happy to come out and help if you wish! i dont call myself a horse whisperer or anything but im good at loading dangerous horses.

[beks the artist]

if some other on here dont mind giving me a reference….id be happy to come out and help if you wish! i dont call myself a horse whisperer or anything but im good at loading dangerous horses.

Shame you are not nearer I would pay good money if someone can get Jakes in a box as I need to move him in March, I can't load him by then I have a 10 mile hike accross mountains on him! :scared: XX

[Tiaki]

Shame you are not nearer I would pay good money if someone can get Jakes in a box as I need to move him in March, I can't load him by then I have a 10 mile hike accross mountains on him! XX

If a miracle happens and I move to Wales before the summer Beks, I'd happily come and work with Jakes. I enjoy working with difficult loaders and have a high success rate for getting them sorted :)

xxx

[beks the artist]

Sam, may take you up on that! However are you moving to South Wales? We are in the North so probably just as easy to get to from the Midlands (I used to be at Birmingham Uni years and years ago!) Seriously, If anyone wants to help load Fat, stubburn, naughty Jakes you are more than welcome! Money, bed and food will be provided! LOL!

[Tiaki]

Sam, may take you up on that! However are you moving to South Wales? We are in the North so probably just as easy to get to from the Midlands (I used to be at Birmingham Uni years and years ago!) Seriously, If anyone wants to help load Fat, stubburn, naughty Jakes you are more than welcome! Money, bed and food will be provided! LOL!

:lol: Goes to show how much I do NOT know Wales :lol: Yes I am moving to the South (closer to my home of Bristol ;) too). I have no idea how far away from me you are though **goes off to google it** but I do have a satnav :evilgrin:

xxx

[beks the artist]

Yep South Wales is MILES and MILES away from the North as there is no direct route (lots of mountains to navigate around!) It is quicker to get to London from North Wales than from North to South or vise-versa! LOL! I live in Porthmadog, in the armpit of Wales!

[My Crazy Clan]

I have to say having had a "whisperer" talk to Basil down the phone, yes my mobile on loud speaker, there was something to it. Basil DID respond to her, it was really quite scary. To be honest what she said was pretty vague, could have been true (I didnt know either way), however I did know Basil's previous owner, called her up, and the whisperer was 100% correct. When she told Basil to point out on me where he was sore Basil did move his head and knock me hard on my lower leg above my ankle. A year later and we finally following MRI discovered it was a ligamet in his coronet band, so not far out with his knocking of my leg.

So I do beleive there is something to it. I paid £45 pounds for an hour consultation, Anne Dee (google Anne Dee Horse Whisperer) she cost me less than a vet consultation. I honestly beleive it can't hurt.

Not sure though how it can help with a loading issue though.

See, it can work, he told you where it hurts. I would love to have her out to mine.

[vels mum]

Ive had a whisperer to mine, Turk session was scary, she knew protty much everything about him, his coloured cob had just left ours a few days ago and even I could tell he was sressed and confussed as to where she had gone, one of the first thigs the whisperer said to me when she entered his stall is - he wanrs to know where the coloured horse is!
She went right through his background and everything pretty much added up.
However for a loading problem id be more inclined to get a NH person out, whisperes can comunicate with horses buy the Natureal Horsemanship ppl can phsically help them, with problems like loading.

[fougere]

You might not need to get in paid help.
My mare was terrible to load and I taught her in much the same way as Helena taught hers. Feeding near the box, then near the ramp, on the ramp etc. I used a clicker when she moved in the right direction. Not sure whether the clicker added anything, but I don't suppose it hurt.
Once she was used to eating her breakfast in the trailer I then did the whole job of getting her used to loading again, but this time with her dressed for travelling. (I had a sudden panic that she might load nude, but not dressed because it felt different)

[Smoke on the Water]

Here's the link to my post...

http://www.equine-world.co.uk/horse-forums/showthread.php?t=4649

Hope you can open it from this.

[Smoke on the Water]

And my follow-up post...

http://www.equine-world.co.uk/horse-forums/showthread.php?t=4984

[xgliskax]

thank for all the replies guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thay are a huge help! im sure its due to his old owner towing him roughly!!!!! ill let you all know how we get on x

[gemma1309]

I also have Anne Dee out to Justin when I was on my old yard (just about time I got Sasha) and he was not himself and I was worried about him and thougt his legs were being problematic and sore for him, I was sceptical but because she was coming to the yard for others I thought why not.

I was impressed, I told her nothing other than his name i thought having Justin for about 11 years at the time I couldn't know more about him but thought this was ideal not to be caught out.

I knew Justin had come from Ireland in a cattle truck and I knew he had been ill treated but was vague on whereabouts an truth in it also. Justin also didn't load very well would plant himself on the ramp and then sit down, no matter what we had tried at home - on the day of a comp he would just take hours at time to load even though he would eat in trailer every night.

She told me he came from ireland across a rough sea in a cattle truck which was quite cramped and he got shoved about alot and didn't like the dark squashed conditions. He was then scared and frightened of the man and his dog? and did lash out when scared... Never done it with me but had been branded dangerous at the time. Cut it short she said he was claustraphobic almost because of this but she also said he was cheeky too as he loved going across country which he then corrected her by saying cross country and didnt like it when he was in a ring with people watching him (he done a lot of Sj) and when he gets excited he not really showing off in the ring but scared witless lol and he is in perfect health but doesn't like the yard he on as he bullied. lol

She also picked up on him feeling like he was not going to be wanted anymore because mum had a new horse that told him he was not going to be loved anymore (she didnt even know about Sasha and she told him that she was going to be better than him lol typically Sasha (they hated each other) Still sceptical about other things but many other people have had her on the yard and majority have been spot right bar few grey areas. I also know of someone who got it done over the phone with a rescue mare who no vet could diagnose her lameness and moodiness and turns out she had a fractured bone as a baby that had shattered pieces of fetlock bone that were causing problems. I say its worth it I would do it again anytime.. She travels as well cause she has been up Scotland where I live numerous times and I have friends in Yorkshire she has been to...

May I add to my story that Justin now loads no bother at all as long as its in to a airy trailer with front ramp down and he is going to a cross country ( nobody told him he showing next year then lol). She made me happy as she said he was one of the most intelligent animals she had ever met and he was very articulate and if he were human he would be at the top of his profession.???? Sorry about the story I have just written didnt realise was so large lol

[xgliskax]

smoke on the water- thats fab, how long ago was that? does he load now?

[xgliskax]

gemma1309-thats great what was his/her name? was it expensive how long ago was it?

[zoes87]

also just thought with the loading thing - have you tried him in both lorry & trailer?

Sounds silly i know, but we had a lorry (now sold!) and it would take anything from 5mins (happened once!! lol) to 2 & half hours to load - by which time you've had enough & just want to shove him back in the field!! Travelled like a dream, then same prob to get him back on to come home! After selling the lorry, my friend offered me use of their trailer to practice loading - just getting him in, walking through & off, then in, stop for a few mins, then out etc. first time - walked straight in the beast!! and loves the trailer!

Might not be same for you & you might not have access to both - we didn't until recently - but if you do may be worth a try!

[xgliskax]

zoe- that sounds a good idea, ill have a think see if i know anyone with a lorry.!

[gemma1309]

It was anne dee that came to mine I think a few other people on here have had her... It was about 5 years ago I had her and I think at the time it was around £40 but I don't know if it was cheaper as she was coming to quite a few on our yard (6 got done in total) Google her-she has a web site. It was a nice experience!!!