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13th January 2010, 05:00 PM
I'm putting Baron up for loan but don't know what to ask for price wise.
He's avaliable 2-4 times a week and is stabled on full livery so there are no stable chores involved - just grooming and riding. The yard he is at has a floodlit sandschool (indoor school being built soon) of which you can book sole use of the school. We've miles of off road hacking and I don't mind what work Baron does - hacking or schooling. We've instructors on site, a tea and coffee room and our own individual alarmed tack room.
What would you think is a fair daily price (as obviously it would change depending on if he was ridden 2 times a week or four).
13th January 2010, 05:03 PM
I think i would work it out by how you pay for his keep daily and then timesing it by how many days they would like to look after him, to me that seems fair,
13th January 2010, 05:23 PM
We worked out for livery, shoeing and supplements etc he costs about £29 a day. Would you pay that?
Thing is I am not desperate for a sharer, I don't want to give him away for a silly price as sometimes people are more likely to be easy come easy go.
13th January 2010, 05:23 PM
Ditto the above! I would work it out in proportion to his costs.
13th January 2010, 09:29 PM
He sounds a super horse with a fantastic set up. Someone will be lucky to part loan him.
I think that £30 per day is possibly asking just a bit too much. In my area the going rate to part loan is generally around that per week. Also, right now a lot of people simply cannot find the right person. Maguire's owner was prepared to pay someone to exercise her other horse to keep him competition fit over winter whilst she had a lot on at work and couldn't find someone. I do not have to make any financial contribution for Mags and I have unlimited access to him, can have lessons, go to shows etc. I do realise I am very lucky, but I have this because she trusts me with him and I am reliable. I also will do anything I can to help her out chore wise with the horses, although they are on full livery through the week, so really that is just at weekends. I also groom for her at shows, but that is a pleasure not a chore!
I understand the logic behind splitting the costs this way, but I think that when it comes down to it, it is not actually the sharer's horse and the owner has final say over everything. To have Baron three times a week would be just under £90 - around £400 per calendar month.I think that is getting to the price where you could keep your own horse. Perhaps at not such a nice yard, and perhaps not such a nice horse, but still. Obviously not everyone goes for part loan/share because they could not afford their own horse, and that is not why I do it, but I think that a lot of people do.
Sorry, not much help and a bit of an essay. I think that it is just really difficult right now, there are more horses for loan and for sale than there are buyers/loaners. I would focus on finding the right person and then negotiating the financial contribution from there.
13th January 2010, 09:36 PM
What Sooooosan says!!
It's not the sharer's choice whether your horse is on full livery or not... I would normally say work out the price in proportion to what the upkeep of the horse costs but it would be way too expensive in this case. For 2-4 days of riding per week, I'd ask £25/wk maybe £30 if you can really sell the idea of no stable chores... most people wanting a share though wouldn't be adverse to mucking out on their days so I don't really think you can charge much more due to him being on full livery.
13th January 2010, 09:51 PM
When I had Arthur on share I was paying £25 a week plus his shoes which was another £5 a week after they put it up. I started to think I could practically own my own horse for this and I wouldn't pay more than £30 a week again.
13th January 2010, 10:23 PM
I have Beth 3 days one week and 4 the next and I pay £140pcm for her. However I muck out, breakfast, rug change, hay and water AM - Dinner is given by the yard along with hay and water early PM - I then ride after work and put her to bed. I can opt to have her fed, hayed and watered am and mucked out for me on my days for an additional £40pcm however I like doing it myself.
The yard also has the use of 2 indoor school and 1 sand school. As it is a riding school too, I can also join in group lessons for free (normally £25) as long as there is a space free and private lessons are half the normal price as I am using my "own" horse.
I also have the help and support of her owner when I need it and that has been invaluable as I am a total novice to horses. I was willing to pay a little bit more to share a horse that would look after me, be forgiving of my mistakes and where I had support and back up. I am also not paying out much more to share and ride 3/4 times a week than I was having one 1hr group lesson per week.
14th January 2010, 12:37 PM
i wouldnt put the supplements on the list of things for them to pay for personally becasue its not like he has to have them and its not super vital if you get me, thats your choice to feed them
14th January 2010, 10:07 PM
I was looking into it and I really do want around £60 to ride 4 times a week but wouldn't want anything towards shoes or anything else. I don't want to bring someone else into his life for a pittance when his livery costs me £150 a week. Sorry probably seems snobby, its just with me working on cruise ships I unsettle him enough coming and going from his life.
14th January 2010, 10:15 PM
I think you will seriously struggle to find someone willing to pay £240 a month for a share horse! You could keep a loan horse for that much each month on DIY. A hack at a riding school is normally £15-£17 for an hour and the horse is tacked up ready for you to ride, plus you're escorted out...
As I said in an earlier post it's not the sharer's perogative whether you keep the horse on a farm with no facilities or a top class full livery yard with every facility under the sun... all they are really looking for is a horse to ride, maybe compete. To give you an idea, most part loans I've seen advertised around here tend to be between £20 and £30 a week which includes contribution to shoes. I could probably keep a horse on DIY livery for £100 month, shoes £60, feed £30, hay/straw £25 and it still comes in under your price for a share.
15th January 2010, 12:12 PM
If i was taking on a share horse i wouldn't expect to pay more than £40 a week for riding 4 times a week. If you ask anymore than that and te sharer might aswell have a horse on full loan and get to ride whenever they want.
15th January 2010, 01:52 PM
if you get someone on loan is there not a way that you could reduce your livery bill and therefore how much they would have to pay for him if they mucked him out etc on the days he was in their care?
Or are you on an exclusivley full livery yard,
16th January 2010, 05:47 PM
I can put him on part livery, and that means that the sharer can bring in / turn out / muck out which would reduce the livery bill. I am more than happy to let them do that, but if they can't do a day its not like I can step in and help out as I'm working on a cruise ship abroad and it worries me he may not be mucked out / fed / brought in etc.
I have had a few people get in contact with me, but it's people wanting him five times a week for stuff like hunting for something like £15. Then when I see people come to ride him the calibre is not very high and he just plays up.
In all honesty as silly as though it might seem I think I may just advertise him as free riding, at least then when I come home I can have access to him without having to work around a loaner.
16th January 2010, 11:43 PM
I think that the free riding thing might just work out. Regardless of what you charge, it is about finding the right person. I do know it must be a minefield and in all honesty, if I were the owner, I am not sure I would ever be able to place the trust that I have had placed in me in someone else. So I totally understand how you must feel. For me though, I do not officially loan or share the horse I ride and help with. He is absolutely his owners and although I love him to pieces and I would be really quite devastated if she took him away from me, I never think of myself as anything more than his 'Aunty'. I know he is not my horse, and I am with him purely because his owner is big hearted enough to want him to have extra attention on top of what she has time to give him.
If you get the right person then she/he will be able to pick up the slack when you are away, but then back off and let you enjoy your boy when you are home. Good luck! xxx
19th January 2010, 09:01 PM
From what you've said in other threads it sounds like finding the right person is more important to you than the money?
If so I think finding the right person who is also willing to pay £300 in a 5 week month, may be a challenge. I reckon if your more flexible with your costs more people may be interested. If someone is paying that much they will (quite rightly) expect to pick days, someone who is getting a bargain will be more flexible for when your home and want to ride more.
I share a horse and our agreement is for 2/3 days a week for me, however we are both flexible about how much we ride depending on each others work commitments, if I know she hasn't rode much we will always try to work something out. We have great facilities including indoor school, floodlight outdoor school, showjumps, fantastic off road hacking, it is DIY though. I pay £20 per week plus half of his shoes.
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